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		<title>By: firefly4f4</title>
		<link>http://www.mma-elo.com/rants/2009/tuesday-tossup-first-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-1487</link>
		<dc:creator>firefly4f4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, OK then... Carwin and Brett Rogers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, OK then&#8230; Carwin and Brett Rogers.</p>
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		<title>By: firefly4f4</title>
		<link>http://www.mma-elo.com/rants/2009/tuesday-tossup-first-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-1486</link>
		<dc:creator>firefly4f4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just realized Maia has one decision...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just realized Maia has one decision&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: firefly4f4</title>
		<link>http://www.mma-elo.com/rants/2009/tuesday-tossup-first-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-1485</link>
		<dc:creator>firefly4f4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I was thinking Shane Carwin (A) and Demian Maia (B) until I read that follow-up bit about fighter A having more subs and fighter B having more (T)KOs.  Other than that, it matched perfectly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I was thinking Shane Carwin (A) and Demian Maia (B) until I read that follow-up bit about fighter A having more subs and fighter B having more (T)KOs.  Other than that, it matched perfectly</p>
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		<title>By: evil pooh</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted to try keeping this as completely numerical and objective as possible.  That&#039;s why I don&#039;t include weight class, top 10, title(s), etc.

One thing I thought about including was subs/kos.  Fighter A has more subs, Fighter B has more KOs.  However, although &quot;finishing&quot; a fight has some actual value, the split seems more likely to lends itself to personal bias.

I thought about including % different in strength of schedule (it&#039;s pretty close), and possibly even 1/3 year mod (Fighter B is higher in both of those categories).  Again though, I think those become more inferred things and step away from the pure performance of the fighters in question.

I&#039;m not really expecting an absolute &quot;Fighter A is higher than Fighter B&quot;, but rather a more general expectation of where these fighters stand in the MMA landscape.  Is Fighter A a &quot;can&quot;?  Is Fighter B &quot;top 10&quot;?  Are they &quot;similar&quot;?  Do you see something that clearly yells &quot;Fighter A &gt; Fighter B&quot;?

Since this response is now longer than the rant, I&#039;ll just mention briefly(ish) how this all came about.  Recently I was talking with some new (very new) MMA fans and they got to talking about &quot;top 10 fighters&quot;.  After a little bit I started giving them blind fighter histories and answering honest questions, &quot;Yes title, no different weight class, yes 5 wins in a row, yes never won 4 in a row&quot;, etc.  

In many cases I found a fighter they found impressive was one they&#039;d never heard of.  In some cases a fighter they were just recently proclaiming as &quot;top 10&quot; was suddenly not so &quot;unbeatable&quot;.  (funny how when you realize a guy has lost 40% of their fights it suddenly becomes harder to proclaim them unbeatable).

Having gone through that, I figured it was worth a try here as well.  The problem I have is finding the right criteria that gives enough information to make a solid judgment, but not so much that it skews the results or opens them up to bias.

If there are some universal questions or additional numbers you&#039;d like to see included let me know.  I&#039;d like to try this again next week (have a few ideas already), so I can add the information in then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to try keeping this as completely numerical and objective as possible.  That&#8217;s why I don&#8217;t include weight class, top 10, title(s), etc.</p>
<p>One thing I thought about including was subs/kos.  Fighter A has more subs, Fighter B has more KOs.  However, although &#8220;finishing&#8221; a fight has some actual value, the split seems more likely to lends itself to personal bias.</p>
<p>I thought about including % different in strength of schedule (it&#8217;s pretty close), and possibly even 1/3 year mod (Fighter B is higher in both of those categories).  Again though, I think those become more inferred things and step away from the pure performance of the fighters in question.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not really expecting an absolute &#8220;Fighter A is higher than Fighter B&#8221;, but rather a more general expectation of where these fighters stand in the MMA landscape.  Is Fighter A a &#8220;can&#8221;?  Is Fighter B &#8220;top 10&#8243;?  Are they &#8220;similar&#8221;?  Do you see something that clearly yells &#8220;Fighter A &gt; Fighter B&#8221;?</p>
<p>Since this response is now longer than the rant, I&#8217;ll just mention briefly(ish) how this all came about.  Recently I was talking with some new (very new) MMA fans and they got to talking about &#8220;top 10 fighters&#8221;.  After a little bit I started giving them blind fighter histories and answering honest questions, &#8220;Yes title, no different weight class, yes 5 wins in a row, yes never won 4 in a row&#8221;, etc.  </p>
<p>In many cases I found a fighter they found impressive was one they&#8217;d never heard of.  In some cases a fighter they were just recently proclaiming as &#8220;top 10&#8243; was suddenly not so &#8220;unbeatable&#8221;.  (funny how when you realize a guy has lost 40% of their fights it suddenly becomes harder to proclaim them unbeatable).</p>
<p>Having gone through that, I figured it was worth a try here as well.  The problem I have is finding the right criteria that gives enough information to make a solid judgment, but not so much that it skews the results or opens them up to bias.</p>
<p>If there are some universal questions or additional numbers you&#8217;d like to see included let me know.  I&#8217;d like to try this again next week (have a few ideas already), so I can add the information in then.</p>
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		<title>By: geedub</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hhhmmmm. No idea who they are, but we&#039;ll make a few assumptions and take a stab that Fighter B should be ranked higher due to his higher strength of schedule. Got any clues?  Weight class? Top 10?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hhhmmmm. No idea who they are, but we&#8217;ll make a few assumptions and take a stab that Fighter B should be ranked higher due to his higher strength of schedule. Got any clues?  Weight class? Top 10?</p>
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